tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-739267574084387275.post4245504910254225175..comments2023-09-12T09:49:42.006-07:00Comments on Star Trek Fact Check: Finding a Composer for Star Trek's First PilotMichaelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00552147805234543255noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-739267574084387275.post-9990921113855534042021-10-01T05:45:49.114-07:002021-10-01T05:45:49.114-07:00The themes are so similar, and both are pervasive ...The themes are so similar, and both are pervasive throughout their shows. Plus, the timing is right. Frontiere's theme is frequently used in episodes aired October 1964 onward, on a popular primetime show. I'd call it the 2nd or 3rd most common motif in the 12 O' Clock High soundtrack. <br /><br />Courage composes his score after three months of exposure...<br /><br />(I'm not accusing Courage of deliberate cribbing, but I think the similarity is too great and the timing too perfect for coincidence.)galacticjourneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02350935794214027433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-739267574084387275.post-8862079853781752172021-09-30T18:27:59.235-07:002021-09-30T18:27:59.235-07:00I wouldn't go as far as to call this "lik...I wouldn't go as far as to call this "likely." More like "possible." We're talking about a piece of underscore, not the main theme, and I've never seen it established that Courage had even seen this series. But the Frontiere music definitely predates Courage's composition, no doubt about that. Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00552147805234543255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-739267574084387275.post-75555831598560212642021-09-30T13:24:42.668-07:002021-09-30T13:24:42.668-07:00The Star Trek Fanfare appeared on 12 O'Clock H...The Star Trek Fanfare appeared on 12 O'Clock High as early as October 1964 (episode 5). Courage likely lifted his from Frontiere.galacticjourneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02350935794214027433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-739267574084387275.post-89417264146684794072020-03-02T14:10:51.817-08:002020-03-02T14:10:51.817-08:00Perhaps it's the other way around.Perhaps it's the other way around.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10947296921450854932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-739267574084387275.post-82431509172002414912019-02-18T16:06:58.041-08:002019-02-18T16:06:58.041-08:00I've read that the Trek-like theme on 12 O'...I've read that the Trek-like theme on 12 O'Clock High was present on the show from the beginning. Since the show debuted on September 18, 1964, four months before Courage scored the Star Trek pilot (the scoring session being done on January 21, 1965), Frontiere couldn't have plagiarized this theme.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00552147805234543255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-739267574084387275.post-21792377456516234052019-02-18T15:53:40.730-08:002019-02-18T15:53:40.730-08:00Thanks for posting this. Sorry to arrive half a de...Thanks for posting this. Sorry to arrive half a decade late. I'm very interested in this information. I compose as well and have been a fan of all musical contributions for TOS. The music which always plays an enormous role in the series tends to never get documented or talked about as opposed to actors talking about episodes or prop and set designers talking about their work for instance. Point of fact the only thing I've read was an article about how Courage's greatest contribution, the Star Trek Fanfare managed to appear in episodes of 12 O'Clock High over a year before Star Trek was aired. There is some speculation online that the fanfare was composed by Dominic Frontiere, but the article I read stated that it was in fact Courage who composed it. The story was that during the week that Courage was recording The Cage score he was using Frontiere's 12OH down time in the same studio. Whether it was Frontiere arriving as Courage was wrapping his time or lingering after his session to hear what Courage had written, either way he was in the studio as Courage worked on the Star Trek Fanfare. Frontiere was very impressed with the theme but felt bad that no one would ever hear it as the space opera Courage was writing for would never ever see the light of day. Rather than wasting such a great piece of music Frontiere simply went ahead and used it, presumably without asking permission. I genuinely wish that I had held onto or bookmarked the article. If I ever find it again I'll post a link to it.thedhshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15793302628314756220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-739267574084387275.post-65912902074598655272014-03-16T10:57:35.640-07:002014-03-16T10:57:35.640-07:00Oh, definitely. I left the misspellings of the or...Oh, definitely. I left the misspellings of the original document intact, but I linked to the correct IMDB pages.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00552147805234543255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-739267574084387275.post-43264210431648736352014-03-16T10:03:36.289-07:002014-03-16T10:03:36.289-07:00I think number 5 in the list was actually probably...I think number 5 in the list was actually probably Dominic Frontiere. Known for other SF scores for The Outer Limits and The Invaders in the 60s.HannibalCathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03970584876708307571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-739267574084387275.post-28727176627451813772014-03-15T12:54:24.699-07:002014-03-15T12:54:24.699-07:00I really like most of the film scores, so it's...I really like most of the film scores, so it's hard for me to feel to upset that they didn't reuse many themes from the original series in them...but I admit to smiling from ear to ear at the end of STAR TREK (2009) when Courage's theme came on for the first time since Star Trek--The Motion Picture. Speaking of soundtracks, if anyone here is a fan of the music of the original series, the La La Land set is a must-buy.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00552147805234543255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-739267574084387275.post-22797430387491498962014-03-15T12:03:47.421-07:002014-03-15T12:03:47.421-07:00Nice to see a new post here! The theme music of A...Nice to see a new post here! The theme music of Alexander Courage is so much a part of the Star Trek experience that it's hard to imagine how things might have been if one of those other guys had been hired. I'm sad that they wrote new music for each movie, but I guess they had to, since part of recouping the cost of movie production is the sale of the soundtrack. Still, Courage's theme will always be "Star Trek" to me.<br />Coryleahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16961220703672521166noreply@blogger.com